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    Salary discussion

    I've received a lot of questions related to salaries and salary cap.

    Previously, a player might look different to someone logged in, not logged in, looking at somebody else's team, looking at a player on the draft list, looking at a player your own with different scouting levels....salary was skewed to try and handle all of those different views.

    Now, a player looks the same to everyone, and the salary algorithm is simplified and more realistic. A player's salary is based on their scouted ratings (perceived value), their on the field performance, and there personal 'greed' factor. As a player ages, on the field performance becomes the strongest determinant of salary - just like in real life, where expectations for a player mean less and less compared to how they actually play on the field.

    We have seen an approximate 15% drop in salaries on average with the update, but that doesn't mean each player took a 15% pay cut. Some players are making more, some are making less, some teams dropped more then 15%, some teams less. Anecdotally, I have seen the teams playing the best in leagues getting the lease reduction in salary post-update.

    It is up to leagues to decide how much salary pressure they want to exert on teams to force financial decisions. Personally, I encourage leagues to consider their salary caps in the new circumstances of generally lower salaries/removed front office allocations, but try to keep in mind all the teams in your league and how they will be affected, and definitely consider waiting until after the first flip post-update to get a true sense of how your leagues finances are looking.
    Last edited by citizenclone; June 21, 2022 at 11:40 AM.

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    Re: Salary discussion

    Just had my first flip post update and overall salaries seem a bit down but, this one seems bizarre…

    https://www.csfbl.com/player/5075419/history/

    A no hit high RA LF bumped up from $530,000 to over $2.2 million. Had a similar type 3B on the same team stay roughly the same salary after the flip.

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    Re: Salary discussion

    Amateur just flipped and I have 2 pitchers who got huge raises to ridiculous salaries

    From $3,597,000 to $7,002,000. Towers has made 3 All-star teams in 9 seasons, no way can he be worth anywhere near $ 7million

    https://www.csfbl.com/player/4998821/view


    From $3,922,000 to $6,548,000 Cantrell made 1 all-star team in 3 seasons


    https://www.csfbl.com/player/5065136/view

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    Quote Originally Posted by DreamNY View Post
    Amateur just flipped and I have 2 pitchers who got huge raises to ridiculous salaries

    From $3,597,000 to $7,002,000. Towers has made 3 All-star teams in 9 seasons, no way can he be worth anywhere near $ 7million

    https://www.csfbl.com/player/4998821/view


    From $3,922,000 to $6,548,000 Cantrell made 1 all-star team in 3 seasons


    https://www.csfbl.com/player/5065136/view
    I’d probably pay that for either of them.
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    Re: Salary discussion

    Quote Originally Posted by jellyinsd View Post
    I’d probably pay that for either of them.
    To put in perspective, the pitcher who won Cy Young for 3rd straight year makes $7 million and other Cy Young winner paid $4.5 million.

    This is a $60 million hard cap league. We lowered the cap since teams would see average of 15% decrease. But because of these increases, I only dropped 4.5% leaving me million over hard cap.

    Both are very good pitchers but should they be making as much as 3 time Cycle Young winner or the best pitcher in other league.

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    Re: Salary discussion

    Those look like valuable pitchers to me, especially the SY one. $7 mil might be a little more than i expected, but it would be cheap on the open market i think
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    Re: Salary discussion

    Quote Originally Posted by Brock Landers View Post
    Just had my first flip post update and overall salaries seem a bit down but, this one seems bizarre…

    https://www.csfbl.com/player/5075419/history/

    A no hit high RA LF bumped up from $530,000 to over $2.2 million. Had a similar type 3B on the same team stay roughly the same salary after the flip.
    This one confuses me more than dreamNY's pitchers. I would think about cutting him
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    2016: 3,437-3,070 (.528) ~ 4 WS
    2017: 8,035-6,518 (.552) ~ 8 WS
    2018: 6,226-5,522 (.530) ~ 7 WS
    2019: 3 WS
    2020: 4 WS
    2021: 3 WS


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    HMNitty Gritty(1982-) 
    NPHoppers(1989-)1989
    8sAngels(2104-) 
    ShDnPadres(2094-) 
    AAABees(2135-) 
    DLPallet Town(2027-) 
    GOAT-1997, 1998
    ALTRTA-2098, 2099, 2100, 2101
    LEG-2045, 2046, 2047, 2051, 2054
    CarL-2022, 2027, 2031, 2032
    Dodgers-1953, 1955, 1966
    WBC-1925, 1928, 1930, 1937, 1949, 1955, 1965, 1966
    TML-1964, 1966, 1967, 1968, 1972, 1976, 1983, 1984
    Sweet-1886, 1888, 1891, 1892, 1897, 1898, 1900
    ThrowB-2018, 2053, 2054, 2056
    TDD-2106, 2107
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    Re: Salary discussion

    I agree they are valuable pitchers and wouldn't have been surprised if each got a million raise. But they shouldn't be making the same salary as a pitcher who won 3 straight Cy Youngs

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    Re: Salary discussion

    Here is another pitcher with SY 97. 32 yo, 1 all star, got $3.5 million raise to $7 million. Again, a very good pitcher, but if he is not making the all star team, then the all star pitchers need to be making $9 or $10 million a year be be fair. A 32 yo should be paid on performance and be in line with other pitchers in his division/league. While Winchester is a very good pitcher, he is obviously not one of the 10 best pitchers in his division, and not one of the 20 best pitchers in the league.

    To be fair to all owners, there needs to be a comparison to other pitchers in the league, especially those who have been winning Cy Youngs and multi time all stars. This is a huge major flaw

    https://www.csfbl.com/player/5013092/view

    This is another pitcher in the same division. 30yo, 4 time all star. His salary is $4.5 million less.

    https://www.csfbl.com/player/5013155/view

    I would think the teams owner (not me) deserves a legitimate explanation.

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    Re: Salary discussion

    One might quibble a little with the numbers, but Winchester is the better pitcher of the two by a fair margin.

    Dees's stats aren't as good, and that's even with him being propped up by a 92 RA 2B, 94 RA SS, and 100 RA CF. Winchester would have had fantastic stats behind that defense instead of his 50 RA SS, 70 RA 2B, and 48 RA CF.

    What Dees does have his more EN leading to more counting stats, probably securing him the All-star honors.

    Whether Winchester is worth $7mil in a recently changed FA league is hard to say due to all of our lack of experience with that new model, but him being worth significantly more than Dees seems pretty reasonable to me.

    If I wanted to point an issue here, it's with the All-star voters weighting wins too much.

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