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    Re: What pitching category can you best get by with being poor?

    Well, I've landed him. I tried a godfather offer to move up to the top of the draft to where I thought he'd go (#16 overall, next year's #1 choice, two blue chipper hitters with slugging over 90 and helpful supporting attributes, and a 24 year old pitcher with a 70+ PO, 98 FI, and 58 EN), and was turned down. I ended up dealing a fraction of that for #5, and he lasted.

    https://www.csfbl.com/player/view.asp?playerid=4832177

    An 18 year old with potentials of 99 PO, 22 FI, 97 CO, 91 SY, with a 100 EN. Those numbers will be off, but he is now on my team and I have 5/10 scouting, so they are close enough. I can throw out a 95 RA, CF, 99 LF, and 97 RF in a fully sized park if necessary. I also passed on a 17 year old lefty with 26 PO, 99 FI, 91 CO, 66 SY, and 80 EN to take him. I wasn't sure of the wisdom of that, but it felt like such a unique opportunity.

    Both are a ways away from their potentials, and it will be key to hit that SY rating before PO drops. But I never have less than 10/10 in drills and development, and I'm thrilled to see how this turns out. 400 strikeouts are on the table, obviously. More? Starting games 1, 3, 5, and 7 of a playoff series? It will be years in CSFBL terms before he throws a pitch, but I'm excited.

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    Re: What pitching category can you best get by with being poor?

    interesting. obviously he'll be good but i wonder if he'll be as elite as you would expect with 3 90+ ratings

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    Re: What pitching category can you best get by with being poor?

    Well if the SY develops early, and stays strong til his mid to late 30's, that when combo with PO and CO should make him elite early and very very strong late in his career. George Clark in my signature is an example of just SY/CO pitcher, so you can look at his numbers and get an idea what he will look like after 30.

    Worst case scenario is PO/CO develop early but SY develops slowly. PO/CO pitchers in my experience are not good.
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    Re: What pitching category can you best get by with being poor?

    Quote Originally Posted by eagriffin View Post
    Well, I've landed him. I tried a godfather offer to move up to the top of the draft to where I thought he'd go (#16 overall, next year's #1 choice, two blue chipper hitters with slugging over 90 and helpful supporting attributes, and a 24 year old pitcher with a 70+ PO, 98 FI, and 58 EN), and was turned down. I ended up dealing a fraction of that for #5, and he lasted.

    https://www.csfbl.com/player/view.asp?playerid=4832177

    An 18 year old with potentials of 99 PO, 22 FI, 97 CO, 91 SY, with a 100 EN. Those numbers will be off, but he is now on my team and I have 5/10 scouting, so they are close enough. I can throw out a 95 RA, CF, 99 LF, and 97 RF in a fully sized park if necessary. I also passed on a 17 year old lefty with 26 PO, 99 FI, 91 CO, 66 SY, and 80 EN to take him. I wasn't sure of the wisdom of that, but it felt like such a unique opportunity.

    Both are a ways away from their potentials, and it will be key to hit that SY rating before PO drops. But I never have less than 10/10 in drills and development, and I'm thrilled to see how this turns out. 400 strikeouts are on the table, obviously. More? Starting games 1, 3, 5, and 7 of a playoff series? It will be years in CSFBL terms before he throws a pitch, but I'm excited.
    If you didn't mention, full-sized park, I would have said yearly allowing 50 HRs is likely. Still might be in the cards. low-FI worries me. And high CO/how-PO/low-FI. Seems sometimes those types groove the ball down the middle at an alarming rate.

    Anyway, looking back at my last couple of high PO/SY combo pitchers. Seems, they'd have 15-20 starts of complete domination, and right when I thought they had turned the corner, would be virtually useless. My recent one had a 100 PO (97 at draft time, Top 5 draft pick). He gave me a season with sub-3.00 ERA, 300+ Ks, and was in the Cy race. And also, a solid season as a CL before earning a rotation spot. But, the other 3+ seasons was kind of mediocre. I traded in mid-season of his age 28 season. (mid-1st rd pick and a solid short-term middle of the order hitter). Drafted, a FI specialist the year before (#7 overall) with solid SY. And he is still with me at age 35 (though age 34 was brutal, and his 4 starts this year been hit-and-miss, so he may not survive the season) and have given me 10 years and nearly 150 wins. Was probably my #1/#2 guy for several years, I think 2 All-Star appearances.

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    https://www.csfbl.com/player/4832177/view

    Reporting in, his early career has gone about as well as I could have hoped. At age 28, he clocks in as a 99/34/100/88 pitcher with 96 Endurance. Those numbers will be slightly off, but not a lot.

    After a solid but unspectacular start, he's pulled 2 CYAs in a row, in part from throwing over 300 innings a year. He has a 421 SO season, and will likely surpass that by quite a bit this year.

    Most importantly, he is now putting together his first sub 2 ERA season, with a 0.76 WHIP through 235 innings, with probably 12 or 13 starts to come.

    If he just gets over the 90 threshold with stuff before that power drops off, I think I could see 2 or 3 historically dominant years.

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    Re: What pitching category can you best get by with being poor?

    do you have links to the guys that you traded to get him?

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    Re: What pitching category can you best get by with being poor?

    You could get into some historic CSFBL numbers, if you had a high RA outfield (>90RA across the board). His FO/GO ratio is significantly skewed. Thats a pretty cool combo to see.

    Basically, you only need 2 elite (>90) ratings to make you great. Three elite and you're a sure fire hall-of-famer. In the case of 3 elite ratings, I suspect the worst combo, would be the low SY. The best (and most efficient) would be low PO in combo with a high range middle infield.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CyMaddux31 View Post
    do you have links to the guys that you traded to get him?
    https://www.csfbl.com/popup_trades.asp?tradeid=255512

    A pitcher I was very much counting on at 74/98/55/40 with 59 Endurance, a Catcher with 97/61/93/34 hitting cats and a poor arm, both quite young. That plus the #16, for the #5 overall I used to draft Contreras. The #29 and some salary balancing came my way as well.

    If that seems light, well, I'd offered more for the #1, sure Contreras would go there, and was turned down, then was offered that deal by someone else and elected to take a chance with #5. Contreras was very far from maxed, as well; he spent 6 years in my low minors. And the #1 fom that year is a 1B with about 98/67/98/80 attributes. Raked for 2,000 hits, 300 homers, and 10 straight seasons with a +1.000 OPS, including his rookie year, and just turned 30. I'd still have taken my pitcher, though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SlickLaptop View Post
    You could get into some historic CSFBL numbers, if you had a high RA outfield (>90RA across the board). His FO/GO ratio is significantly skewed. Thats a pretty cool combo to see.

    Basically, you only need 2 elite (>90) ratings to make you great. Three elite and you're a sure fire hall-of-famer. In the case of 3 elite ratings, I suspect the worst combo, would be the low SY. The best (and most efficient) would be low PO in combo with a high range middle infield.
    I've always sold out for high range, so those outfield numbers are there, but regardless he has a low 2s FIPs. About a homer allowed every 9, but that control reduces walks to 1.1 per 9, combined with 12 Ks. And unless the ball leaves the park...

  10. #30
    Quote Originally Posted by eagriffin View Post
    I've always sold out for high range, so those outfield numbers are there, but regardless he has a low 2s FIPs. About a homer allowed every 9, but that control reduces walks to 1.1 per 9, combined with 12 Ks. And unless the ball leaves the park...
    Max distance and height fences in your home park will help as well if you have great RA in the OF. Would be really fun to follow his career if you can do that.

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