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    What pitching category can you best get by with being poor?

    Sorry if the question is confusing, but I couldn't come up with a better way to phrase it.

    What I mean is, if you could have 3 elite level ratings in 3 of power, finesse, control, and stuff, and the remaining category was sub 40 level, what would you pick?

    I know a fair number of players eschew control specialists, and I've never found that stat to give a pitcher CY Young dominance, but there is also a floor with control below which I won't go. I've had the most luck ignoring power; with a strong defense I've always been able to get by without strikeouts. Obviously, if you see a guy in the bright red in 3 categories he's usually a rarity and you have to take him. You can't pick and choose when the opportunity presents itself. But I am wondering if anyone has experience with players who are high 80s/90s in 3 categories and utterly terrible in one. Is there a particular area where that is just a killer? One in which it doesn't matter how bad the guy is, as long as his other stuff is high level?

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    Re: What pitching category can you best get by with being poor?

    If you have elite infield defense power is not only meaningless but often detrimental.

    The most important rating is SY, 90's SY with 50s in everything else can still be an effective if somewhat inconsistent pitcher.

    After SY, it depends on your defensive make up, bad defense go PO>FI>CO, moderate defense FI>CO>PO but no matter the make up of the defense you always want control above 40 unless the other three stats are elite(90+).

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    Re: What pitching category can you best get by with being poor?

    In my experience, CO is the least vital of the big four. That said, CO keeps pitch counts more efficient, so if your ace pitcher is EN challenged I'd prefer to have low PO instead.

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    Re: What pitching category can you best get by with being poor?

    CO if not ridiculously low. And maybe even ridiculously low, too. Elite CO is almost detrimental to a pitcher, in my experience.

    PO probably 2nd least valuable for me. I've had FI-specialists routinely take a dip in results after developing untapped PO (1-2 years of poor pitching).

    FI and SY are hard for me to determine which is more valuable. If I had to take a pitcher that is elite in one category (80-85+) and average in the other 3 (below 60) then that elite category would be SY. I love to find pitchers with a 80+ FI and 40- PO, and let them groundball everyone into submission. Though, I have noticed more so lately they need some SY to back that up. Otherwise, they have to settle for being workhorse MRs.

    Every once in a while I try to make something out of the elite PO pitcher prospect , but most of the time by their late 20s, I have given up on them out of frustration.

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    Re: What pitching category can you best get by with being poor?

    Quote Originally Posted by 2XS View Post
    If you have elite infield defense power is not only meaningless but often detrimental.

    The most important rating is SY, 90's SY with 50s in everything else can still be an effective if somewhat inconsistent pitcher.

    After SY, it depends on your defensive make up, bad defense go PO>FI>CO, moderate defense FI>CO>PO but no matter the make up of the defense you always want control above 40 unless the other three stats are elite(90+).

    Just my opinion
    Yeah, that 90s SY-specialist will likely stink up the place, in a given year, if you keep them long enough. But, they actually peak in their 30s, and I have had quite a few that would show me just enough in their 20s, for me to hold onto them, and start getting rewarded by them in their 7th or 8th season or so in their early 30s. And for pitchers who have been successful for me after age 35, most if not nearly all had an 80+ potential SY rating on their page. (and 40 or older I cant think of one who didn't)

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    Re: What pitching category can you best get by with being poor?

    I did bring this up with a particular player in mind, in a league I'm in. He's an 18 year old draft prospect whose statistical profile I've never come across before. It's close to comedically exaggerated. Won't know for 5 or 6 seasons at least, but I'm intrigued.

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    https://forums.csfbl.com/showthread....52#post1969152

    This is a little more extreme but it does to show what only elite PO and SY can achieve. The played had a pretty good, albeit relatively short, career. I suspect his career numbers would be better on a team without high turnover but unfortunately he was drafted in AAA remake.

    So circling back to the OP question, PO, SY and anything else would be amazing.

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    Re: What pitching category can you best get by with being poor?

    Quote Originally Posted by No Gimmick Necessary View Post
    https://forums.csfbl.com/showthread....52#post1969152

    This is a little more extreme but it does to show what only elite PO and SY can achieve. The played had a pretty good, albeit relatively short, career. I suspect his career numbers would be better on a team without high turnover but unfortunately he was drafted in AAA remake.

    So circling back to the OP question, PO, SY and anything else would be amazing.
    PO/SY combos due tend to have very few peak years, because Power starts declining in the late 20s and SY often doesn't reach its peak until the early 30s so it is a totally unreliable combo. When it works out though I will admit it can be great.
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    Re: What pitching category can you best get by with being poor?

    Quote Originally Posted by 2XS View Post
    PO/SY combos due tend to have very few peak years, because Power starts declining in the late 20s and SY often doesn't reach its peak until the early 30s so it is a totally unreliable combo. When it works out though I will admit it can be great.
    Brian said years ago that it was the strongest 2 stat combo, but as you pointed out, it is gated by the tendency of one stat to decline early and the other to peak late.

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    Re: What pitching category can you best get by with being poor?

    Depends on what you want the pitcher to accomplish.

    Best lifetime career stats? (normal aging) probably FI/SY maxed

    Best peak? PO/SY is particulary nasty, but PO/FI is really underappreciated

    Best playoff pitcher? PO/SY again, BUT, I'd take 90/90 over 100/100 IF you can put that extra 20pts into EN and get it to 80+


    EN as a rating for a pitcher is underrated. 90+ EN is 40 starts/325innings and 1/4/7 (or 1/3/6) starter in a playoff series. That EN can shine in the playoffs.
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