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    Why do people value CF range so highly

    I mean your CF gets maybe 2-3 chances per game right? But your 3B gets 3-4 chances per game and your 1B probably gets around 2-3 ground balls per game.. yet no one ever says you need good corner infield range, just 2B/SS/CF. So why is CF so important... the dude only makes 2 plays per game. And sure if the CF doesn't run the ball down it's probably a double or triple, but that's also true for a grounder down the line. Should the importance of range be in proportion to the number of chances a player gets on defense?

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    Re: Why do people value CF range so highly

    I think the high range value of a CF is to allow you to field a big bat/no range in RF with less negative effect.
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    Re: Why do people value CF range so highly

    Quote Originally Posted by lostcanadian View Post
    I think the high range value of a CF is to allow you to field a big bat/no range in RF with less negative effect.
    This is a pretty common thinking I would agree.

    I also think if you ask some of the owners who have been around a long time they will say 3B RA > CF RA. I know I value players that way.



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    Quote Originally Posted by balmers View Post
    This is a pretty common thinking I would agree.

    I also think if you ask some of the owners who have been around a long time they will say 3B RA > CF RA. I know I value players that way.
    Same here. I still put 3B RA > CF RA. If they are close, GL and AR have a little more value to me at 3B.

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    Re: Why do people value CF range so highly

    So you believe loading up the left side infield with a weaker out field is greater than a balanced defence with SP 1-5 attributes considered?

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    Re: Why do people value CF range so highly

    Also it depends how big the outfield is in your stadium. One in vogue strategy is to maximize the size and walls of your outfield.

    A CF with high RA is needed to run this strategy effectively.

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    Re: Why do people value CF range so highly

    Quote Originally Posted by balmers View Post
    This is a pretty common thinking I would agree.

    I also think if you ask some of the owners who have been around a long time they will say 3B RA > CF RA. I know I value players that way.
    Yeah, I'd take the 3B, depending on the circumstances might take the 3B over 2B. (assuming the righty pull hitting, and the fact more balls past 3B will be for extra bases for than a 2B).


    I used to try to have an 80+ RA CF. But, with heavy groundball staffs being my norm, and generally not deviating too much from the 330-410-330 OF alignment, I find a 70 RA CF will more than fulfill my needs if they hit some (and I usually have a LF with similar or better RA). Though, finding one that can hit some can be tricky, sometimes. A lot of times the 70 RA tends to be just a defensive specialist with less than optimal RA. IF I have to drop to 50 RA to get a good hitter in CF, just not worth it.


    In fact, even though it seems counterintuitive, but have done better at times with good RA LF/mediocre RA CF than the reverse. Note: As far as RNG, generally speaking, LF: 1.50-2 CF: 2+ (but usually not by much) RF: less than 1.10, many times hovering in the 0.90-1 range.


    And yeah if possible I try to go offense at RF, because if he is going to effect less than 1 ball defensively a game he just isn't valuable, defensively. I've had a high-20s AR in RF who had a couple of 12 asst seasons, so I don't know how much AR factors in either (though, he probably racked them up because more people ran on him).


    1B is weird for me defensively. It is an offensive position, but I like a high-GL (70+) if possible. If the RA at 1B is past a certain level, GL is more important. While it doesn't make sense to some, but going RA first at the other IF positions at possibly accepting high-E totals at those positions. The few balls that get hit to 1B, I don't want him flub the ones he gets to. (I've had low-GL 1B make around 20 errors before). (C defense seems to be of no importance past AR, though I have unusually low RA and or GL catchers seemingly underperform* to their AR ratings on occasion year after year). I have taken advantage of instead of looking catchers in the draft, just look for a high-AR, questionable RA guy at another position and convert in minors.


    *Not necessarily by much a guy who would be expected to throw out 45 to 50 percent, may end up at 35-40. (still good but not great)
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    Re: Why do people value CF range so highly

    Quote Originally Posted by lostcanadian View Post
    So you believe loading up the left side infield with a weaker out field is greater than a balanced defence with SP 1-5 attributes considered?
    Well my attribute value runs FI/SY/PO/CO, so I tend to have groundball oriented staffs.

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    Re: Why do people value CF range so highly

    C is the new DH. Id take 3B range over CF. I hav SY pitchers and run smaller parks.
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    Re: Why do people value CF range so highly

    One reason being overlooked when you consider CF range, is also the doubles that become singles and the triples that become doubles. That is for real life any way, but I am not sure how robust the engine is in that respect. I, basically, evaluate range like this SS>2B>CF=3B>LF>1B>RF>>>>C. The only stat that really matters at all on a Catcher here is Arm.
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