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    Lying about weight or Plantar Fasciitis?

    So this guy David Butler had 160 stolen bases at 23 years old, now he is 30 and could only steal 18 bases? I mean his rating was 95 speed back then and sure his skill has diminished and he's lost his step but come on that is too much of a drastic drop isnt it? And no I didnt mess with any of the manager settings it was on average. His stat sheet says he is a skinny small dude at 119 lbs, so either something is seriously wrong with his leg or this guy is lying about his weight and stuffing his face with twinkies in between innings.

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    Re: Lying about weight or Plantar Fasciitis?

    Well, he did have a bad success rate. That in combo with his previous season attempts isn't too out of line. Might be more of a question of: Why did regress so fast from 1981-86 (though with 1981 being the usual first season of a league, I've seen some insane variation, in my experience, the first couple of seasons, is like a lot of the 19th century starter leagues where it is a semi-minor league in talent)

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    Re: Lying about weight or Plantar Fasciitis?

    On another note, if your manager settings is average he wont be extremely reckless exactly. I ramp up my steal rate to the max, and my high is 155 steals, and that was by far the most. (in fact I've only had 3 different players get 100+ SBs-though all 3 did multiple times.)

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    Re: Lying about weight or Plantar Fasciitis?

    I'm guessing his speed rating has diminished pretty significantly. Some guys can maintain speed ratings through their late 20s but in my experience more often than not the speed attribute drops off pretty quickly. Chalk it up to declining athleticism I guess. I suppose the drastic drop is a bit unrealistic, but what's more unrealistic is a guy stealing 160 bases in the first place.

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    Re: Lying about weight or Plantar Fasciitis?

    Quote Originally Posted by xet43 View Post
    So this guy David Butler had 160 stolen bases at 23 years old, now he is 30 and could only steal 18 bases? I mean his rating was 95 speed back then and sure his skill has diminished and he's lost his step but come on that is too much of a drastic drop isnt it? And no I didnt mess with any of the manager settings it was on average. His stat sheet says he is a skinny small dude at 119 lbs, so either something is seriously wrong with his leg or this guy is lying about his weight and stuffing his face with twinkies in between innings.
    speed declines way too quickly in this game.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CyMaddux31 View Post
    speed declines way too quickly in this game.
    Worst example I ever had was Whitney Warren.

    Guy was created at 19 years old with 96/99 SP. that was encouraging. Close to maxed out, but not yet maxed out, so should have some years at peak abilities before a decline, right?

    I called him up the next year at age 20 (CWS league only allows 4 years of eligibility). He put up an incredible 176 SB to just 28 CS!! One of the best figures in CSFBL history. That was with his SP maxed at 99, but only 87/94 DI, so I was hoping he could push 200 SB the next year.

    His SO season he indeed flipped +7 DI and was now 94 DI and 99 SP. A truly ideal lead off hitter. His BB total bumped from 122 to 160, and even his AVG rose from .262 to .292. That meant he reached base an extra 52 times. While an awesome improvement, he added 27 more extra-base hits from his FR year, so it was only 25 more times on first base. For all that, he stole 168 bases to 41 CS. 5 extra SB attempts but 8 fewer conversions due to a worse success rate.

    Still, I remained hopeful to push closer to 200 SB his JR year. Only one problem. His flip to age 22 dropped him to 94 SP. What!? Yep, after just 2 years at 99 SP and always 10/10 dev/drills, he flipped down to 94 SP. managed to snag another 142 based to 42 CS that year, which was pretty darn good considering the SP drop.

    Finally his age 23 SR year he was down to 90 SP. Again, full dev/drills his whole career. 120 SB to just 31 CS, and his slash line tanked without his huge BABIP SP bonus.

    By age 24 he was released post-graduation, but he was still on my team for a few days post-flip (benefitting from dev/drills) and SP was down to 85.

    So do I think it’s crazy that your guy is slow at age 30? Not at all. I’d be more surprised if he were still fast at 30, although I have seen it happen.
    Last edited by Miroku20X6; March 12, 2018 at 07:12 PM.

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    Re: Lying about weight or Plantar Fasciitis?

    Quote Originally Posted by CyMaddux31 View Post
    speed declines way too quickly in this game.
    True, but peak speed is also way too high to begin with. No one should ever steal 170 bases in a season, that's just ridiculous.

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    Re: Lying about weight or Plantar Fasciitis?

    I've recently had quite a few players retain speed until later in their careers:

    https://www.csfbl.com/player/view.asp?playerid=4565448 (86/90 at age 30)

    https://www.csfbl.com/player/view.asp?playerid=4603885 (97/97 at 25)

    https://www.csfbl.com/player/view.asp?playerid=4616420 (87/87 at 26)

    https://www.csfbl.com/player/view.asp?playerid=4539715 (88/98 at 31)

    https://www.csfbl.com/player/view.asp?playerid=4610251 (90/92 at 25)

    https://www.csfbl.com/player/view.asp?playerid=4568438 (86/99 at 32)

    These are all remarkable, to me, because even in CWS, players' speed typically peaks and begins declining before they're even called up to active roster.
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    Re: Lying about weight or Plantar Fasciitis?

    Quote Originally Posted by CyMaddux31 View Post
    speed declines way too quickly in this game.
    Billy hamilton is already not the fastest guy in the league. Its different for every player, but the peak is usually like 23
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    Re: Lying about weight or Plantar Fasciitis?

    *later in careers*

    lists 3 guys 25-26......

    lol
    I just can't look its killing me
    And taking control
    Jealousy, turning saints into the sea
    Swimming through sick lullabies
    Choking on your alibis
    But it's just the price I pay
    Destiny is calling me
    Open up my eager eyes
    Cause I'm Mr Brightside

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